i liked furnace mountain, but there was an obligation to sit at every session with the group and i would have rather meditated on my own
Dear Sangha,
We need a better turn out on Sundays for our practice to flourish, two hours once a week is not excessive but essential for a commitment.
Consider your commitment to the practice and the Sangha.
me:
this is a message from my local zen center, i would consider them a byproduct of meiji zen.. i'd show up but the head teacher doesn't have too much to offer me and it skeeves me out how unhealthy he is
also doing meditation at home is much better, the fact that i can move around when i want to, lay down, sit, or walk around makes a big difference
when i go to zen centers to sit my whole body just starts to hurt
they recently moved out from their storefront zen center location and are now doing only talks at one of the member's house, yeah i don't need any extra bullshit in my brain
vitamin e really gets the blood flow going
i have to realize that i'm not a breeder
leaving troubles behind,
i listen to the wind
leaving trouble behind,
i listen to the wind
"I hope I am not giving away professional secrets if I say that a novelist's chief desire is to be as unconscious as possible. He has to induce in himself a state of perpetual lethargy. He wants life to proceed with the utmost quiet and regularity.
He wants to see the same faces, to read the same books, to do the same things day after day, month after month, while he is writing, so that nothing may break the illusion in which he is living--so that nothing may disturb or disquiet the mysterious nosings about, feelings round, darts, dashes and sudden discoveries of that very shy and illusive spirit, the imagination."
- virginia woolf
i deliver to this older couple once in a while, they're probably around the same age but the man is sharp and the woman not so much, a definite example of women's brains going much earlier due to hormones
one time a couple of my friends and i were sneaking onto a private trail late at night, we heard a car approaching and dove into some bushes, the car passed and we continued on
about two and a half hours later im in my car dropping everyone off and turn my car lights on for something, and I find six ticks crawling all over, luckily it was winter and my skin was covered
lyme was possibly inches away
actually i remember telling myself that one of the reasons i was leaving college was to focus on my health
andrew:
it's an ill wind that blows no good !
while at college i decided to step on a scale, i weighed in at 200lbs, very heavy for my 5,6 height
for a long time i was overweight, i'd say since i was at least 7 or 8, my parents fed me crap and a lot of it, so many potatoes !
anyway i had enough of my health and decided i needed to do something about it, i went to the gym to lift weights and ate healthier at the school cafeteria
of course the cafeteria food at college wasn't so great, but i ended up losing somewhere around 20lbs, around this time i became a vegetarian on and off
during the next year i lost another 10, and then when it was winter time i put on another 20lbs
within the past year and a half i've lost 50lbs from eating less and healthier, and now following the compendium i feel and look better than most of my later teenage years, and it's only been one year of loosely following the diet
that leaves me at about 140lbs, lowest i've been since middle school
so yeah good shit !
john clare, torn apart by his wife and six kids ? caused enough insanity to be sent to an asylum, he believed his past lives were shakespeare and lord byron
A nice cool day
Frost enveloping the trees
A gentle breeze
Clouds cover the sky
poem by jon
"[From The Precautions:] The religious must practice the following instructions if he [she] wishes to
attain in a short time holy recollection and spiritual silence, nakedness, and poverty, where one
enjoys the peaceful comfort of the Holy Spirit, reaches union with God, is freed of all the obstacles
incurred from the creatures of this world, defended against the wiles and deceits of the devil, and
liberated from one’s own self…. Have an equal love for and an equal forgetfulness of all persons….
Humble yourself in word and in deed, rejoicing in the good of others as if it were your own,
desiring that they be given precedence over you in all things…. Try to practice this more with
those
who least attract you. If you do not train yourself in this way, you will not attain real charity nor
make any progress in it. Prefer to be taught by all than desire to teach even the least of all. "
st. john of the cross
me:
a girl was telling me 'i'm a catch'
andrew:
"it wasn't jesus that was the "fishers" of men but women !""men are fish to to be caught and eaten for women !"
an enlightened mystic, on my blog , say what !
my grandfather almost starved as a child when he was left way out in pasture, when they found him he was so starved he couldn't move on his own
for the rest of his life he had trouble eating certain things and had problems with ulcers
teresa of avila got two hours of meditation time a day, but i want to be more like st john of the cross, who probably got way more
i could be a butcher, something about dead animals doesn't bother me too much
noticing flaws is something i should improve
the lengths the human race goes for something unrecoverable
at my mother's funeral i had to leave, i couldn't stand all of these people coming in, just looking to fill in their day for the most part, it made me sick and i didn't want to explain to one more person "how i was"
my friends and i went to get some coffee and that was better than being at the funeral home
after the funeral a friend and i went back to my house and i moved the bench over and we just stared at the sky
i was reading about emily dickinson on her wikipedia and apparently at her mother's funeral she stayed in her room with the door slightly open, probably getting praying by herself or who knows, but seriously that is what it's about, the loss of someone is only for you to deal with and no ones 'sympathies' can help too much
yeah i don't know why lorainne didn't reply to my comment on her blog, i thought i was pretty kind and even curious about her going to her zen center
this one time when i was around 16 i went to belmont race track, one of the most legendary horse racing tracks, and i brought this thing with me called a tv-b-gone, it could either turn off or on almost any tv by going through hundreds of IR codes
so here i am at this track and it's some big horse racing day and i gather up all my friends and we go inside to where all the real gamblers are to turn off all the tvs in the place, the real gamblers were inside so they could get to the paying booth as quick as possible
there must've been something like 1000 tvs in the place and i managed to turn off at least 1/3 of them
i found it so funny, all these guys would be watching the race and bam the tv goes off, of course i'd stand there looking like i didn't know what was going on
these guys would get so angry and after about two hours of turning off tvs some guy yells "what the fuck is going on here !" storming off, it was at about this point i realized i could die if someone caught me turning them off
i still have the remote but for what ever reason i haven't used it since, maybe because people like tv too much
if you do the work your life reflects it
john of the cross is another "spiritual" life with some really fucked up stuff in it, he was kidnapped for nine months by his old monastic order and pretty well starved i think, his health may never have recovered, anyway he eventually escaped by sewing some fabric strips together and using them as a rope to climb down from the floor of his cell, the fabric didn't go all the way and he had to drop and was knocked unconscious . . .
ReplyDeletehttp://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/John_of_the_Cross.html
autistic women like lorianne disabato often lose their hormones early and the brain really goes . . your post is much more fluid and real than her OP, she is just running on templates . .
that's a real female trick, running on templates, been fooled more than a few times, but once you latch onto it, you get predictive power because they just run the same templates again and again, which in my case usually involves me being treated like some useless arsehole to f o o l . .
my grandfather almost starved as a child when he was left way out in pasture, when they found him he was so starved he couldn't move on his own
Deletefor the rest of his life he had trouble eating certain things and had problems with ulcers
yeah i was accidentally starved as a baby too !
Deletemy mother later fed me lamb brains tho, must have left a mark, had some wallaby brains yesterday, think better with them ! :o) !
dreamt a bit last night, no dreams of hopping or lush grass though ! :o)
" i could be a butcher, something about dead animals doesn't bother me too much"
ReplyDeleteWhat.
Weren't you taking about wiping out Saudi Arabians or something like that ?
Delete"Then I will become Shah of Iran and burn Saudi Arabia to the ground!"
DeleteSAVE THE WHALES !
DeleteIt's reached the point where either Persians or Saudis have to go. I could explain the geopolitics more in-depth.
DeleteYeah, I'd like to be like Babak Khorramdin, in honesty.
sepehr you should start a blog so you can write all your inane shit on it
DeleteWhat exactly is inane in what I'm saying?There's nothing inane to anything I say. I don't start a blog because inspiration doesn't come to me every single day. Maybe after I've created more things I'd do it.
Deletenothing huh ?
Deleteinsensitive is another word, you don't see how upset you make andrew
well while you think about creating I'll be doing it
I've been posting on Andrew's blog for over 3 yrs, I think. He recently started getting annoyed by me and telling me to stop commenting. Before, he was always appreciating my comments and so forth. We even had discussions on Emily Dickinson's poetry when I was reading her more in-depth.
DeleteI didn't post recently until he started commenting on me randomly. I'm fine not posting there anymore, but he needs to stop mentioning me. I don't like people gossiping in front of me while I'm enforced to be silent. This environment of conflict should not be like an Ingmar Bergman film.
I think, while there is a lot of good stuff here, it's not publishable material. I'm writing a play I want people to act out. It's 12-15, perhaps more, pages done already. I also have a short story I want to edit more and publish, maybe.
I've read through the old comments, I'm not prepared to say much about it but there was a certain point you stopped being as receptive imo
DeleteLike you were taking about the health stuff and then nothing came out of it, I'm the only one to try to take all of what andrew says on board
For almost 2 years he's been telling you to buzz off, of course he's said nice things about some of your writing
Your writing is not all bad but it's insensitive
You say you got a lot of contemplation time but how much was it ?
Have you read every single comment?
DeleteHonestly, I wasn't always the instigator. Sometimes I comment on a recent experience and he compliments the writing. Other times I say something and he totally goes ballistic on me. Regardless, I still visit because I find he has a lot of interesting stuff to say and stuff. I agree with his fundamental points.
I'm not sure he really wants me to leave considering how he endlessly talks about me after I did go.
Regardless, he can't handle even a small criticism or doubt.
I've read through multiple times
DeleteI don't want you to leave, but if you don't examine yourself and your life there's not much of a point of posting besides for entertainment
The man has decades of contemplative experience, if I were in his position I wouldn't take criticism too easily from pipsqueaks like us
I'm always examining my life. I recently watched the uncut version of Fanny and Alexander, went outside and fell into despondence while reflecting on my life. I'm always doing stuff like this.
DeleteUnlike Andrew, I hate Infinity. I believed I was almost fully absorbed into it a couple times before...
In truth, I think Infinity is like the demiurge. Once one is absorbed into it, it must be destroyed (if possible) in order to reach the "innermost light". If the innermost light does not exist, then all of reality must be destroyed and one is best off a Marquis de Sade like figure. That's what my play is kinda about.
I choose to believe there is an innermost light beyond Infinity though, even if I were wrong.
I agree Andrew has a lot of experience, but I can't help feeling like a Cathar each time I read his stuff. The Cathars were pretty interesting. Look into them.
I think there's something to making a routine out of meditation, not just once in a while
DeleteI'll look into them, and really you should consider starting a blog, it's not like all your inspiration will go away if you write a couple of lines every once in a while
You won't though, I'm talking to the air
DeleteThe Gilan and Mazandaran provinces of Iran are very beautiful.
DeleteSupport Iran over Saudi Arabia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTk9F4yf4Cw
I've grown to like Iran, they seem like a kind culture in more recent times at least
DeleteYeah, one simply needs money to experience the world and deepen insight. I want to scuba dive around the world and visit a lot of cool places. I want to live for some time with the tribes people of Sa Pa, Vietnam and help them do sustainable farming. I used to WWOOF in the past.
DeleteYeah I'm pretty much doing a WWOOFing thing in Massachusetts in a couple months, it's a pastured pig farm
DeleteYou know sepehr at my school it was the Persians who picked on me and not the other way around
I actually learned to like Iran through media, if I had the money I might visit, if I had money I'd do a lot of traveling, but I don't
"You know sepehr at my school it was the Persians who picked on me and not the other way around"
DeleteHow so? I think the Iranians that live in more ethnic tribes like Lurs, Gilaks, Kurds, etc. tend to be more humble. The ones with roots from Tehran tend to be more arrogant.
Also, at my old school, I did have someone try to kill me and I got beat up. I was surrounded by neocons.
just the way it was, i got picked on a lot in elementary school
DeleteIn elementary I got picked on by Aframs...
DeleteWhy did you get picked on?
i haven't thought about it too much, i'm guessing it was because i would say whatever was on my mind and wasn't too scared of what people thought
DeleteMaking fun of someone for behaviour is different from making fun of someone based off something they cannot change. It's not comparable at all.
DeleteI rarely say what is on my mind in public because the cohesion and stability of society is maintained by primitive and advanced forms of social engineering. I realize exposing the illusory foundations of groups would not serve my egocentric interests.
However, paradoxically, that stability is an illusion when you realize the truth of solipsism, how we never make any contact with others. We only have access to our mental contents. The tension between the absolute reality of aloneness and the illusion of sociality can never be bridged unless we find out a way to connect our brains in some kind of holographic internet, like cetacean pods or the swarm intelligence of ant colonies do. There would no longer be an 'other' then. I don't think science will ever reach that point though, and I'd prefer to remain isolated from 'others' since I like individuality.
Check out Kiyoshi Kurosawa's Kairo. It's a good film. Also, Serial Experiments Lain is based off us becoming a hive mind and inspired John C. Liley's thoughts. It's a weird but creative.
i think i was really made fun of for being autistic, something i can't change, maybe i was just sensitive
DeleteIt's best to just dull one's mind around plebs since they are what give structure to society.
DeleteI have an online friend who has Asperger's and he's very creative. We talk a lot and stuff.
and what about you ? you wouldn't say you're autistic ?
DeleteI think I'm a mix of schizoid, schizotypal, and paranoid. I'm basically Cluster A:
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder#Cluster_A_.28odd_disorders.29
mm yeah andrew said you're autistic, but you don't really respect his opinion ?
Deleteif you're going to comment here i'm not going to pussy foot around, i think you're talking bologna ! any serious mind puts in the contemplation time, hours a day ! if you're not doing that i can't take you seriously
Deletei can see in your writing that you're not doing it anyway so
i think it's why jon, andrew, and i have a good connection, we all know that each one of deals with our lives straight up
I never asked to be taken seriously. I was just having a regular conversation. You're right, doing 1-2 hr of Shikantaza a day is preferable. I guess, sometimes more, the Lotus Posture not really mattering.
DeleteDo you really do 2-3 hr of Shikantaza a day? It seems tough to be consistent with societal demands and such.
i only work something like twenty hours a day, i've stopping hanging out with friends as much, and i have no obligation to anyone
Deletei do two hours a day, three once in a while, when i get to massachusetts i'll probably be doing more
it's necessary, i'd have no idea what i was talking about without it
i was doing one for a while, but two pushed me to a nice place, three and four will probably do the same
a week, not a day
DeleteI'm trying to decide whether I should walk that path in my life. I mean, if nothing but oblivion awaits me after this life, then what's the greater significance of experiencing a deep samadhi or satori here and there? What I'm trying to say is that I'm indecisive on whether the mystic path is really for me or not, if there is no greater mystical truth that transcends life and death. It's why I frequently remark that the wide prevalence of logical positivist, metaphysical naturalist, and reductive materialist thought have undermined the spiritual quest.
Deletenah it's because there is something but you have to 'step down the ladder' to live it
Deletehonestly it's good you're thinking about it, i liked your first sentence
i don't think it's just about experiencing kenshos once in a while, there's really something that just becomes part of your everyday life
look at andrew, he's intuitive as hell, a mess too, it's not through just studying stuff, he puts in work it's his number one priority
i don't care if you do or don't, if you don't it's just that i don't want to hear your 'half worked out' stuff, you need the whole picture
it's too bad you acted like an asshole to andrew, he was actually being very kind to you
I was never an asshole towards Andrew. I was very polite and praised him a lot.
DeleteI mean, why does it matter if that "something" becomes a part of your everyday life if it just dissipates at Death's Door? Isn't just a few Kenshos good enough then?>
you were but you don't see it, so what else can i say ?
Deletei don't have the answers to these sort of questions, i'm a noobie after all, but for me i'm glad to have finally found a path that is good for me, i've been so god damned lost for so long
do what you like sepehr but like i said please don't bother me too much
I asked Andrew the same question, but he never gave me an adequate response. I'm really not a noobie since I went to a sangha for a couple years, but I wasn't given satisfactory answers by them either.
Deletesepehr, contemplative work is a skill like picking a lock, you almost accidentally open the door, its a total surprise, infinity is revealed and you work on that for the rest of your life, there is nothing beyond infinity . . you are really bridling at my (in zen terms) "not approving" of you, you think that understanding is compatible with your current life, well its not
ReplyDeletei really don't want to say this because i don't want to interfere in your life, not that you will listen anyway but you went backwards when you got married
it maybe that married life suits you like zakaj . .
in which case just leave attempting to understand what i write about because it is only tangling you more and live a more conventional married life and focus on income etc and doing things that you think improve the state of the world since in your case you are anti-natal !
work on income and go scuba diving around the world and setting up permaculture in vietnam . . there's plenty to do that's of interest !
contemplative work which is to start to open the door frightens you and you react against it, that really should tell you something, it would take many years of celibate life and intense inquiry to get past that . .
life doesn't have to be misery and pain, you really are not thinking about what would be practically fulfilling for you . . !
at boarding school we had a golf course, i used to potter about on it, i was never very good, i knew that because there was a boy in our year who was very good, i could have spent all my life on golf and the best i would have ever got is a good amateur . . that's your situation, involved in what freaks out when you get too close . .
do something else . .
sepehr, the notion of "death" requires a belief or context of the world continuing, from the viewpoint of infinity that is just an illusion of a series of coincidences !
ReplyDeleteJohn of the Cross's path is one of pulverizing humility. There's no room for identifying as a mystic or holy person or sage, and there's no room for complaining about others. His loving kindness meditation looks a lot like metta meditation. It'll change your perspective, for sure.
ReplyDeleteAs long as there's any lingering identification as anything (especially as anybody superior to anyone else...) beware the trap of spiritual materialism.
"There are ecstatic chants of the wind in the crowns of the trees and mystical paths through enchanted gardens of nature, waiting to be taken..."
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5YSMr3B9So